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Agent Intrepid
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Posted - 2014.11.26 08:51:17 -
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Restrict Lennelluc wrote:I knew it would come down to this. So many butthurt EVE players whose endless rants and mindless chatter led to this. What do you expect from players who can't accomplish things on their own and resort to rage over others who do succeed. It goes to show that the havenots will always remain in their raging mindset and will stop at nothing to ruin other peoples fun.
With that being said, as of now all 15 accounts have been closed. Goodbye CCP, I will take myself elsewhere where a players time and currency spent ingame is appreciated.
P.S. I'm still LOLing due to the fact that us ISBoxers have had such a great impact on this game and so many players are butthurt due to us.
ISBoxers be proud and Box on!
If you require third party software to play EVE then you're a sad individual. Good riddance.
I laugh at people with 5 accounts who claim they will quit because of this. Why do you need software to multibox such a small number of accounts? I play more than that at once, manually, I don't require "special" help to play the game. |

Agent Intrepid
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Posted - 2014.11.26 09:25:32 -
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Hikemi Karrado wrote:Actually a good move from CCP to clarify that.
ISBoxer should now have a "comply to CCP rules" button so that users can decide if the want to risk a ban or not.
For me, I'm looking for an alternate product like ISBoxer. It's just too expensive (well, talking about the driver) for an "Eve display optimizer" with a concurrent logon feature.
You don't realise that you're wasting your time? Input mirroring is banned. It doesn't matter how you do it, it's not allowed. If you find some crazy work around but it has the same effect and looks the same to CCP then you will be banned. There's no point in trying to get around it. You can choose to adapt or leave. |

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Posted - 2014.11.26 09:28:41 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: You can very easily randomize the delay using most software solutions.
isbotter is obvious, randomized or not. You will be busted, for right. Too bad I'm talking strictly about hardware macros done with mouse and keyboard drivers. My Logitech mouse has a scripting feature which can be used to do exactly what I described, and no ISBoxer is involved. For CCP to be able to detect that sort of thing on a broad scale, they'd need to utilize levels of spyware dickery that would make Israel's military blush. Suggestion: learn how to read.
You should learn to read. Isboxer is not banned, input broadcasting is. And you would be right to assume that if you find some way to achieve the effect of input broadcasting or something closely related through other means then CCP will enforce their rules and ban you anyway.
We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe. |

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Posted - 2014.11.26 09:33:57 -
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Vulfen wrote:I have serious questions of how CCP are going to actually police this?
An ISboxer running around 5-10 accounts might be easy to spot but someone running just 2/3 might be able to avoid detection easier, i'm sure ISboxer will take no time in implementing some measures to make it's program harder to detect. i.e adding a delay to each remote user, so it does not appear as if the same user is performing the same action at the same time.
Would it not be correct to assume that if the developers of isboxer try to circumvent the rules of EVE online that perhaps CCP will go ahead and outright ban isboxer use altogether? If they have way to detect isboxer being ran on a machine, that would solve many problems of detection. |

Agent Intrepid
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Posted - 2014.11.26 09:37:55 -
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James Baboli wrote:Agent Intrepid wrote:Hikemi Karrado wrote:Actually a good move from CCP to clarify that.
ISBoxer should now have a "comply to CCP rules" button so that users can decide if the want to risk a ban or not.
For me, I'm looking for an alternate product like ISBoxer. It's just too expensive (well, talking about the driver) for an "Eve display optimizer" with a concurrent logon feature. You don't realise that you're wasting your time? Input mirroring is banned. It doesn't matter how you do it, it's not allowed. If you find some crazy work around but it has the same effect and looks the same to CCP then you will be banned. There's no point in trying to get around it. You can choose to adapt or leave. We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe. Way to read. Post you quoted is looking for something to do the display optimization as freeware.
But if that's all he wants to use it for, then why he is seeking an alternative? CCP only outlawed input broadcasting. |

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Posted - 2014.11.26 10:19:58 -
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Hulky Boy wrote:People complaining about others using programs like is-boxer are those that are too lazy to use scouts to check if there are 30 man gangs waiting to gank people to naive to check if the other side of that gate in a .5 system is clear. You deserved to loose your freighter and next time hopefully you will learn to get somebody to scout for you. Same goes with 0.0 bombing, your only complaints are due to your own epic fails
An isboxer user, third party software that is intended to make the game easier to play, for those too lazy to multibox manually, accusing non users of being lazy. |

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Posted - 2014.11.26 10:37:17 -
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The Ironfist wrote:Anyone using ISboxer with half a brain is simply gonna double down for the next month:) Bloodraider smart-bomb ratting is making me 2b per hour in isk and about 1b in loot and svalage after seeing the "news" all I did was resub 4 more accounts next 4 weeks I'm simply gonna smart-bomb 12h a day so that after the first of January I'll never have to do it again. If I can keep it up to 12h a day gonna make close to 2 tril isk the next 30 days.And really what does that change you can still use keybinds just not across clients and you can still use roaming keys you can still use videoFX. Isboxer still gives you an insane edge over the plebs who don't use it or don't know how to correctly use it. Broadcasting was just a easy-mode thing.
You make 2 billion isk an hour smartbomb ratting, and expect to make a trillion isk over the next month? Sounds like something CCP would want to look into. |

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Posted - 2014.11.26 10:40:43 -
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Delt0r Garsk wrote:I don't think detecting broadcasts from good logs will be hard. If it is done properly that is. And all the people i know that isbox have no intention of cheating. They love playing eve. And please don't start with the "but it is cheating", you probably think that anyone with more accounts than you is cheating, that anyone that has more isk that you is cheating etc......
As for extra local software to catch people. Well i run wine on linux, i have 2 account and thinking of a third. I don't use isboxer because i am on linux. In fact every instance of eve is run on a fresh instance of wine. So as far as eve the client can tell, it is on a windows machine with absolutely nothing else running on the machine.
There are quite a lot of us out there. And even some of the eve devs are on linux, running eve.
And yet several isboxer users have already posted about how they will circumvent input broadcasting detection using intentional delays, something which isboxer apparently has a built in option for.
Those people are making an admission of intention to break the eula. Isbotters is the correct term for them. |

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Posted - 2014.11.26 13:44:26 -
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Krane Makanen wrote:So will CCP be compensating me for my IS boxer subscription I purchased 2 months ago? Answer of course not. Fine they want to bring this rule in, I donGÇÖt agree with all aspects as ore prices will sky rocket due to the lack of minerals on the market for one. I agree itGÇÖs misuse in some areas could be a problem, but why selecting and dragging from cargo holds is a problem god knows. I would only ask that they give us fair time like a 6 month warning. Yesterday I cancelled subs on 10 accounts as of January I know I am not the only one so it will be interesting to see their end of year earnings in 12 months ^^
6 months, don't be ridiculous. They were overly generous to give 1 month as it is. They could have given much less.
And can I have your stuff? |

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Posted - 2014.11.26 13:47:00 -
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Greg Inglis wrote:Krane Makanen wrote:Greg Inglis wrote:Does this mean that actual botters will be banned? I'm quite sick of seeing this in belts. http://i.imgur.com/Oi3GynO.jpg?1
Report bot doesn't seem to do anything. I once spoke with someone who used to BOT CCP cancled his accounts he appiled and they gave him them back just because he said he was not a BOT ing raise the question how will they police this. Lol so basically they don't ban bots and they want to ban ISboxers... sigh
OMG man you've stumbled onto a theory here. CCP is targetting isboxers unfairly, it's abuse! Oh noes!
Ahem. How about stop smoking whatever you're smoking because it's making you delusional.
All that has changed is input broadcasting has been rightfully defined as a eula violation, which means stop doing it. And stop being such a drama queen. |

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Posted - 2014.11.26 13:54:22 -
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kraken11 jensen wrote:Agent Intrepid wrote:Krane Makanen wrote:So will CCP be compensating me for my IS boxer subscription I purchased 2 months ago? Answer of course not. Fine they want to bring this rule in, I donGÇÖt agree with all aspects as ore prices will sky rocket due to the lack of minerals on the market for one. I agree itGÇÖs misuse in some areas could be a problem, but why selecting and dragging from cargo holds is a problem god knows. I would only ask that they give us fair time like a 6 month warning. Yesterday I cancelled subs on 10 accounts as of January I know I am not the only one so it will be interesting to see their end of year earnings in 12 months ^^
6 months, don't be ridiculous. They were overly generous to give 1 month as it is. They could have given much less. And can I have your stuff? you really think he going to give it someone/something who act like this against him on forum, anyway. It was an very short warning, indeed. Oh well, if we think on that eve have been for 10 years+'etc
Why should the length of time the game has been out for have any impact on the grace period duration? People have a whole month to hear about the change and stop using the software in such a manner. That's more than enough. |

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Posted - 2014.11.26 17:48:06 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:1) it might happen that less people buy PLEX due to isbot nerf.
2) Prices will most likely drop. If they drop too low because of reduced demand, people might stop selling them (read:less income for CCP) in order to acquire ingame money, because they are getting not enough ISK for the buck.
OR
3) prices wont drop all too low because enough of legit players start plexing their unsubbed alt-accounts again, who couldnt afford inflated PLEX prices anymore -> sellers receive less ISK for their PLEX and CCP wont notice anything at all.
I predict a mix of 2) and 3), less income for CCP but that will be compensated for a big part by non-isbotted players using more PLEX again at affordable prices, a pretty good deal CCP probably is willing to accept, for an improved publicity of their product not being totally infested by isbotters. Stuff like that seriously damages image of the game, presence of isbotters in turn does not improve it in any way.
Or
4. People who buy plex to sell for isk will still do it, they just have to buy more plex to get the same amount of isk = More income for CCP. |

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Posted - 2014.11.26 17:58:41 -
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WhatHappensInJita Jitas wrote:68 pages of botter tears, excuses, predicting the death of a 10 year old game, playing dumb like CCP is banning keyboards and OSs that have scripting built in lol <3 The botter rage has kept me warm all morning and it's raining ice outside.
I can't believe I read every comment, but it was just so engaging. Did you botters log in all your accounts and post all at once or did you whine individually from each account? I guess the latter will be good practice for when you actually have to play the game like everyone else.
I enjoy reading the most recent excuses/reasons as to why it's a bad change. Some are now claiming that they can easily circumvent any detection and hence continue using input broadcasting.
I presume that they are hoping CCP will turn around and say "Oh crap never thought of that, let's just allow it again!".
LOL. Hilarious. |

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Posted - 2015.01.14 09:29:15 -
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I don't like isboxer and think software to help you do things you couldn't normally do or handle is cheating, and I've never used it. A guy is petitioning me for ganking his stationary hyperion with 4 talos.
Multiboxing is banned, he said. Some people are stupid. I've never needed software to multibox, though apparently some people don't understand the difference. |

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Posted - 2015.01.14 14:08:34 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:Adrie Atticus wrote:ShadowandLight wrote:Fraternity and Nulli are sending in mass petitions about me to CCP for using ISBoxer bombers against them... haha... Sooo, they didn't figure out that there might be people who are competent enough to bomb you even without input multiplexing? Hi, welcome to 100 pages ago. We tried to warn CCP about this. Agent Intrepid wrote:I don't like Isboxer, and I think that software to help you do things you couldn't normally do or handle is cheating, Alright then, what's your stance on stuff like EFT, or Fuzzworks, or Siggy?
Don't use them, don't know enough about them to comment. I knew what isboxer was capable of and it was obvious to me it that being able to control 20 or 50 characters with 1 click is a massive in game advantage. |

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Posted - 2015.01.14 22:38:07 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:Agent Intrepid wrote:Don't use them, don't know enough about them to comment. I knew what isboxer was capable of and it was obvious to me it that being able to control 20 or 50 characters with 1 click is a massive in game advantage. Wait, you just contradicted yourself. You claimed to not know enough about EFT or Fuzzworks to make any comment on it, but then turn around and attack ISBoxer for something that people have repeatedly addressed and at the same time ignoring the flaws and disadvantages that ISBoxer has.
No. I know enough about how isboxer allowed you to duplicate commands across many clients, and thus was able to make a judgement that it's cheating, and I made this judgement long before CCP decided to finally outlaw it. CCP seem to agree that isboxer offers too much of an ingame advantage, hence the outlawing of input broadcasting. |

Agent Intrepid
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Posted - 2015.01.15 08:20:22 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:Agent Intrepid wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote:Agent Intrepid wrote:Don't use them, don't know enough about them to comment. I knew what isboxer was capable of and it was obvious to me it that being able to control 20 or 50 characters with 1 click is a massive in game advantage. Wait, you just contradicted yourself. You claimed to not know enough about EFT or Fuzzworks to make any comment on it, but then turn around and attack ISBoxer for something that people have repeatedly addressed and at the same time ignoring the flaws and disadvantages that ISBoxer has. No. I know enough about how isboxer allowed you to duplicate commands across many clients, and thus was able to make a judgement that it's cheating, and I made this judgement long before CCP decided to finally outlaw it. CCP seem to agree that isboxer offers too much of an ingame advantage, hence the outlawing of input broadcasting. So you looked at a single portion of the program and immediately jumped to a conclusion based on nothing more than first impressions and no research. Good job. The downsides to ISBoxer have been well documented by people and would have been happily explained if you decided to ask one of the boxers. e: And ISBoxer itself is not outlawed.
Blah blah blah.
Its most gameplay affecting feature was. |
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